Emotional Stress and Food (#4)

EMOTIONAL STRESS AND FOOD: Does your Pig still insist it needs to binge when the going gets rough? Have a listen! (Transcript Here Too)

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Full Interview Transcript

Dr. Glenn:

So how have things been?

 

 

Lori:

Things have been good, okay.  They’re not as good as they were the last time we spoke, which I kind of think I expected.  I had a couple setbacks.  I’m not excusing my setbacks but I’m not killing myself about my setbacks.  And really all it was, was like I would say two days, two different days of where I decided that the pig came out and I let him come out and I was very aware of it coming out but I let it come out and it was probably an emotional thing.  And another day, I would say it happened twice.  But other than that, I think we spoke two or three weeks ago, it’s really been working well for me, really well.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

There were a couple of days when you made a conscious decision to have a pig party, right?  That’s what you’re saying?

 

 

Lori:

Exactly.  I didn’t really know to call it that but you know what?  That’s exactly what it was.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

What impact did that have on you?

 

 

Lori:

You know what?  Because I’ve been doing this now for several months, where in the past it would have really impacted me and I really would have felt oh my God I’m terrible, look at what I did, I can’t control it, the pig is out and the pig is going to stay out, I did not do that.  I think later on that day or the next morning I woke up, the pig was back in his cage — why do I keep calling him a him?  The pig was back in its cage and I was okay and I did not beat myself up over it.  And then I was able to keep the pig away.

 

 

 

I did notice the difference from how I would have been in the past, because remember I think part of our discussion that we had a couple times ago was I said once the pig got out of the cage, I let it out of the cage until I was going to speak to it again because it was like I’m not going to make any changes until I speak to Dr. Glenn and then I’ll take care of the pig.  But that’s not how I felt this time.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Right because Lori, the goal of the Never Binge Again method is not to create a superior target that you feel guilty if you miss in any way, it’s to restore your sense of agency, to restore your sense of freewill and mastery over what you eat so that the pig can’t tell you that you have no control, that you’re too weak, that you can’t do this.  What you’re describing is that rather than feeling you are out of control and the pig was out of its cage and you must have had some curse laid upon you and you were forced to eat all this stuff and you’re never going to be able to stop, you just decided to let it out of its cage and put it back in its cage.

 

 

Lori:

Yes.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Now, the only question about that is would you be better off integrating into your rules to start with, the idea that there’s an allowable pig party once a month or once every other month or something like that?  Do you that would be constructive for you?

 

 

Lori:

Well I’m not sure because I have to tell you, as much as it was a conscious decision to have a pig party, it was definitely based on an emotional day let’s say, like where the past, my eating has been — if it’s an emotional like that’s almost the excuse.  “Oh my God it was just such a day that I had from and I’m so upset about this that I’m letting the pig out.”  So it’s not that I would say, “Oh I just need one day for like freedom,” my emotional instability or insecurity or whatever it is told me to let the pig out.  I did give myself permission but it was because I was having that whatever emotional thing I was having.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Would you then prefer to look really closely at what happened and what the pig might have said to convince you to let it out and see if we can set it up so that it can’t do that again?

 

 

Lori:

Well that would be the ideal situation, kind of.  But I’m not sure I know how to do that.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Do you want to do that?

 

 

Lori:

I would, yes, because I don’t like to use that as an excuse.  You know what’s so interesting?  I can really sense the difference of when the pig says — when I’m allowing the pig to have a party maybe just because I know that I’m in control and it’s okay and when I let the pig have a party because it was for emotional reasons.  So I saw the difference between the two.  Do you understand what I’m saying?

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

I do.  If you want to have a greater sense of control and security, but it’s really okay, whatever you want to eat, whatever breaks, however you want to do that and under what conditions, it’s totally up to you.  For a greater sense of security and mastery, if we can articulate when those conditions might be, you’re going to feel better.  You’re going to feel more like you have progressively more control and you’re accomplishing what you want to accomplish.

 

 

Lori:

Yes, I would like to do that.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Remind me of exactly what your food plan is at this time because I know we put together a couple of rules.

 

 

Lori:

Okay.  My food plan is, well, no popcorn which is so good.  I’ve eliminated my gluten.  I don’t eat gluten but anything with the flour, I’ve been eliminating.  So even if it’s like gluten-free bread, I haven’t had anything like that.  Chips was my big trigger food that I wasn’t having anymore.  It was still eating — not going back for seconds, but not going back for seconds like at my own table unless I was hungry because I knew I had ran 5 miles that morning or biked 20 miles.  So I was very aware of how I had exercise and what calories I have burned.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

And if I remember correctly the way that you phrased it was that you were going to have a 60-second pause?

 

 

Lori:

Yes, yes, yes, my 60-second pause.  That really I haven’t been doing very much.  I kind of have been doing it without the pause but it’s been working.  I think I could take it down to like where I can do it in 10 seconds, where I just know, where I think about it, “You know what?  I rode 20 miles today, I’m going to have the second portion of chicken because I know that I can.”

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Got you.

 

 

Lori:

I kind of got that from the first part of my food plan was eating half my meal at a restaurant which is what I do, unless of course which I can take the 10 seconds and decide, did I exercise?  Am I going to need those calories?  And then I do it and it’s been working.  It’s been working for me.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

What would be a good outcome of this session?

 

 

Lori:

I think probably to figure out what you said at the beginning which I haven’t even thought of myself, how to be able to be more in control of my pig in an emotional circumstance.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Tell me what happened the day that you changed your mind, let the pig have a party.

 

 

Lori:

What happened?  It was probably my husband was having surgery in two days, there was just anxiety I was feeling, nervousness more than usual and it was probably anticipating the surgery coming up.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Is he okay by the way?

 

 

Lori:

Yes, yes.  He had a hernia surgery but he’s had so many so it’s just been like déjà vu because he’s had bypass and colectomies and all kinds of surgeries, so this easy one was just really easy but it was bringing me back to all the other ones, if you know what I mean.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Stimulated the memory, sure, sure.

 

 

Lori:

Completely.  So I think that’s definitely what did it and these two times that it happened were all around those times.  One time was before the surgery and one time was two days afterwards, so go figure.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

I mean that’s a very serious event.  It makes sense how much your husband means to you and if you’re bringing back memories of when your world was falling apart, you know I understand why that would be a very emotional day for you.

 

 

Lori:

Right.  I didn’t stop and think about it.  I’m going to tell you exactly what happened, okay, because it’s kind of a funny story.  He had bought this coffee cake, you know one of those long coffee cakes that you eat?  And he had eaten three quarters of it and I walked over in the kitchen and I’m going, “Oh my God, you ate three quarters of the coffee cake?  How could you eat three quarters of the coffee cake?”  And within two seconds, without even thought, guess who ate the last quarter?  My pig.

 

 

 

Now, why?  Here I am condemning him for eating three quarters of the coffee cake and I guess it’s like my pig thought, “Well you know what?  He can do it, I can do it.”

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

I see.

 

 

Lori:

Do you see?

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

I do.  I do, if he can do it, you could do it too.  The pig doesn’t want you to feel left out.

 

 

Lori:

So that’s kind of what happened.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

If you had to do it again, would you want to make the same choice?

 

 

Lori:

No, I would not want to make the same choice because my stomach hurt and I wasn’t happy about it.  But like I said to you, I did wake up and I wasn’t angry and I wasn’t killing myself.  I knew that it was a new day and I was going to be okay and my pig was back in its cage.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

That’s absolutely fabulous and I’m really proud that we kind of instilled that work in you that you could do that.  What would you say at the point that the pig said you’re very upset and if he can do it, then you could do it too.  What would you do instead?

 

 

Lori:

I would say it doesn’t make me feel good to do it.  I really don’t enjoy it, although I kind of did enjoy it.  It was really good because I never eat it.  I never have that stuff because I’m not supposed to.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

That’s just part of your healthy appetite, that’s why you enjoy it.  That’s designed to be enjoyed.

 

 

Lori:

Right, I guess so.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

It’s some pleasures we abstain from because they cause pain later on but there’s nothing wrong with you that you enjoyed it.

 

 

Lori:

I just would have probably said differently that it’s really not necessary that there’s probably another way for me to relieve some of my anxiety rather than doing it this way.  That takes a lot of thought and a lot of willpower to say that.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Well how else in the past have you managed that anxiety and suffering when Jules gone through his surgeries or the situations.

 

 

Lori:

I probably didn’t, to tell you the truth.  I probably didn’t.  I probably did some emotional eating, come to think of it.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

So you’re talking about a lifelong pattern when you face these situations?

 

 

Lori:

Oh yeah.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

If your son was talking to you about a similar situation and wants you to figure out how to get through his fears about his dad or somebody else that you really love was explaining their anxiety, what would you do?  How would you help them, because they want you to get through it without listening to their pigs?

 

 

Lori:

I would tell them to go do some meditation.  I would tell them to think about how lucky he is that he’s come through the other times so well and how strong he is.  Oh I would tell him all these good things and all the things that we have and we’re grateful for and how much we have to be grateful for and appreciative.  I’m really good at thinking of all those things, really good.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

And if you did that for yourself, what would happen for you?

 

 

Lori:

It would be good, and I do that, and I do try to do that a lot.  It works sometimes and sometimes it doesn’t but it does work for me.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

So part of what’s happening is your pig is telling you that you can’t experience these feelings of anxiety and discomfort without letting it out of its cage, that things like these are intolerable and at that moment that it gets you to make that choice, it sounds like the other way that you have of managing those situations that really are effective, that they go out the window.

 

 

Lori:

Yes.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

And it sounds like that’s been a lifetime pattern so it makes sense that you don’t have the experience and confidence in knowing that that will get you through the situation because you haven’t had that experience getting through like that in a very frightening situation.

 

 

Lori:

Right.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

You know it’s brave of you to think about that and talk about that and consider whether you want to handle it differently in the future.

 

 

Lori:

I do want to handle it differently in the future.  I would love to handle it differently in the future.  And I know that I can because I know that I have already shifted so many patterns that I had in my thinking and in things that I do that I know that I can change this too.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

What kind of things have you changed?

 

 

Lori:

Learning and growing and so much more peace in myself than I had before.  It’s been this process of evolution for me.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Do you want me to force your pig to the surface more about this?  I’m treading kind of sensitively because this is more of a lifelong pattern and it sounds like you’ve been through some really tough times and I just want to make sure that I’m doing what you want me to do.

 

 

Lori:

Oh no it’s okay, I don’t mind as long as it’s okay with you.  It’s like I guess you uncover, you keep uncovering.  That’s what you do.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Well, the more you tighten up your food plan, the less opportunity you have to distract yourself with food and the more the emotions and somewhat unpleasant thoughts come to the surface, the things that you were distracting yourself from before, they come to the surface.  And so I mean it’s a very kind of simple technique, you’ve been through it before and it forces the pig to the surface and it takes away the option of using food as a distraction at those times.  But it’s important that we both agree that that’s really what you want to do because I don’t want to take that away from you if you don’t want to let go of it.

 

 

Lori:

Like just making stricter food plan?  Is that what you’re saying?

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

No, I don’t think you need to change anything in your plan.  The question is, do you want to allow your pig out of cage when you’re emotionally upset in the future ever again?

 

 

Lori:

No, never.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Well, are you ever going to do that again then?

 

 

Lori:

I don’t want to.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

And what do I usually ask now?

 

 

Lori:

For the rest of my life until the day I die will I never let the pig out of my cage again when I get emotional.  That’s a tough question.  That’s really a tough question because that’s not just like saying, “Oh I’m never going to eat popcorn ever again from now until the day I die.”  That’s kind of like really intense because I don’t know whether I have enough confidence in myself to say that.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

That’s why I’m going back and forth with you about whether you want to allow one day a month where you’re off of your plan if you happen to have an emotional day, do you want that as a safety valve.  It would be better for you to articulate it as a safety valve that you want to have in place and then know that you were 100 percent sticking with your safety valve with the rules and regulations you set up for yourself than to have to just let the pig out and give it control.

 

 

Lori:

Randomly?

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Without governance.

 

 

Lori:

I understand what you’re saying.  Yeah maybe that would be a good thing to do as the pig wouldn’t have control because I’m allowing it to come out once a month let’s say.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

That’s the idea there.  Is that what you want to do?

 

 

Lori:

That again, I mean if you really want to know the truth, I’m being honest with you, right?  I’m not sure I have the control to do that only once a month let’s say because if I do it once a month, I might say, “Well you know what?  I’m going to let him out twice.”

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

So Lori it sounds like you might prefer to say, “To this point in my life I have let my pig out when I get very emotionally upset but it’s a new level of maturity for myself.  I’m no longer going to do that.”  It sounds like that’s where you’re going.

 

 

Lori:

Yeah I think that’s where I am at this stage of my life, yes.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Well then are you ever going to let the pig out of its cage again between now and the day that you die?

 

 

Lori:

No, I’m not going to.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Even if you get very upset?

 

 

Lori:

Even if I get very upset I’m going to try to use all the other tactics that I would recommend to somebody else.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

What if something horrible happens?

 

 

Lori:

I’m going to call you.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

That’s fine.  That’s perfectly fine, I’d be delighted to talk to you but what if something horrible happens and you can’t reach me though?

 

 

Lori:

I have to take care of myself.  And the eating is not going to make it any better.  The binging is not going to make anything terrible that’s happening any better.  I think if I can internalize that which I think as I’m saying it to you, I don’t think I’ve ever said that before out loud but the truth is, binging, it’s not going to make whatever is happening in my life better, right?

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Yeah.  If you have six problems then you binge, then you have seven problems.

 

 

Lori:

Exactly.  So why don’t I do all those other things that I know benefit me than doing what doesn’t benefit me that’s going to cause me one more problem.  So as I’m saying this to you, it makes so much sense.  Do you think sometimes it’s just important to verbalize?

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Yeah.

 

 

Lori:

I don’t think I ever verbalize that that way.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Language is the food of the intellect.  Language is how we take all of our adult experiences and our best thinking and organize it into how we want to operate for ourselves, as compared to living kind of like a rider of this horse which is just going wherever the wind blows us depending upon what happened to our life before.  Most people don’t take this kind of introspective time to think about in a very clear and precise manner what it is they want to accomplish, how they want to behave and put that into language so that they can evaluate what’s stopping them.

 

 

Lori:

Right.  I think I’m going to write that down.  I think that what I just said about to you that the binging is not going to make whatever is bothering me in my life any better, it will just give me the one more problem to worry about.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Yeah.

 

 

Lori:

Yeah, I think that works for me.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Lori I remember in 2001 we lost a tremendous amount of money.  I was perfectly healthy at the time but we lost everything we had and more.  We went very deep into debt.  We literally lost millions of dollars.  It was awful.  Through the next couple of years I really binged.  I didn’t really understand about the pig then, I haven’t really solved the problem and I gained 60 pounds and I got very sick.  My cholesterol was really high, my triglycerides were high, I started to get migraines.  And it took me years to get over that, physically get over that, lose the weight and come down to a healthy level and stabilize there and get over the migraines.

 

 

 

What I tell people about that experience is I wound up fat, broke and sick and I could have just been broke.  And the money part was a lot easier to solve than the fat and sick part.

 

 

Lori:

That’s amazing.  That’s exactly what we’re just talking about.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

That’s what we’re talking about, yeah.

 

 

Lori:

Yup, that’s exactly it.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Are you ever going to let your pig out of its cage between now and the day that you die?

 

 

Lori:

No I’m not.  I’m going to write down that statement and I’m going to look at it.  And even if I can’t reach you, I will have my little paper that says that, “Yup, I’m going there.  That’s where I’m going.”

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

It sounds like you’re a very people-oriented person, right?

 

 

Lori:

Very much.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

So if you feel any threat of losing someone and you can’t connect with someone else important then it sounds like that’s when you feel — that’s when you’re vulnerable to your pig talking you into something but now you know it’s only going to make it worst.

 

 

Lori:

Absolutely.  I do know.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Is there anything else you want to mention or ask me about or talk about before we get off the phone?

 

 

Lori:

No, I think it’s funny because I really thought that we would kind of just have a couple days, but I feel it inside my heart this conversation.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

I’m glad.  I’m glad, I’m honored.

 

 

Lori:

It definitely went deep.  It didn’t just stay on the surface, so thank you.  I appreciate it.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

You’re welcome dear.  Be in contact with me in a couple of weeks or a month or something, let me know how things are going.

 

 

Lori:

Yes, I will and I thank you, thank you, thank you.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Okay, I’ll talk to you.

 

 

Lori:

All right, bye Glenn.

 

 

Dr. Glenn:

Bye.

 

CREATE THE PERFECT FOOD PLAN? Want help to create the perfect food plan for YOU personally? The one which puts YOU in charge as the ultimate boss of your Inner Pig and makes sticking to your diet as easy as breathing – even at night, on weekends, and when you’re SO emotionally overwhelmed even TV commercials make you weep? The one you CAN be 100% confident you NEVER have to break? Click here!

PPS – Want to earn a little extra income helping others use the Never Binge Again method? Click here!